
(Left) The
skull of “Anastasia” before its “reconstruction” by Russian scientists; and her
“tomb” (right) in
From: Greg King (madking@seanet.com)
Subject: Re: Yekaterinburg: bones discovered
Newsgroups: alt.talk.royalty
Date: 2002-05-29
Bob Atchison <boba@pallasweb.com> wrote in
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Susan:
I met with
the forensics team in
I think the
Russian scientists who worked on this project were justifiably hurt and angry
because foreigners - especially the press - doubted their expertise simply
because they were Russians; as if their science, education or experience wasn't
as good as their Western partners on this project. They were right to feel this
way because people were making all sorts of crazy claims about the Russian
scientists - that they were government hacks, KGB agents, or lacking in
professional standards.
The men I
meant were not interested in the personalities involved, they weren't
monarchists, communists or people with an agenda, they were just professionals
doing their job. They received no glory or money for their work - only
complaints when their findings didn't jive with what others wanted to hear.
I have said
the following before and it is not scientific - it's just my opinion - take it
or leave it as such. When I saw the remains - and I had two hours with them -
it was clear to me who-was-who from the skulls among the women. Tatiana looks
like Tatiana, Olga looks like Olga, and Anastasia looked like herself - it did
not at all look like Maria to me at all. This is just my personal observation,
but I have looked at pictures of these people everyday of my life since I was 8
years old and that's what I thought.
Bob
The idea that the Russians had "no agenda"
here is VERY generous and contradicted by a number of facts. Without evoking the question of who is
missing, simply consider the known facts and how these decisions were arrived
at:
The Skull in question is No. 5. This was missing everything below the tops of
the eye sockets on the face front, except for a three and a half inch section
of the upper jaw; three whole teeth were intact, and one tooth was broken off
while the skull was being man-handled in the Ekaterinburg morgue. Identification of this face and its so-called
cardinal points therefore rested on a reconstruction, not on existing features.
First, in 1989, when the news first broke, Gely
Ryabov, in interviews, went out of his way to claim that "Anastasia was
among those we found in the grave."
This was, of course, before any testing had been done, and two years
before the remains were exhumed from the Koptyaki grave.
By
On
On 26 July, 1992, Vladislav Plaksin, Chief Forensic
Expert of Russia, Chief of the Forensic Bureau of the Republic of Russia, said,
"Not all the skeletons will be identified.
Their condition is different, they had been buried for a long time, they
were subjected to acid."
Dr. Filipchuk, a forensic expert from the
Abramov's superimposition method and identification of
Anastasia was based on a comparison of a total of four photographs.(See Massie,
45) On the issue of identification by
photo superimposition (the only method by which a consensus of Russian
scientists have based their claim to have Anastasia), on 23 April, 1993,
Abramov said "We had to apply a new method of superimposition on computers
because the authorities in Ekaterinburg prevented us from doing proper
scientific and forensic analysis of the remains." He further claimed, at the same time, that
Maples, when in Ekaterinburg, had "also done photo superimposition,"
an assertion contracted by Maples, Baden, Levine, and the rest of the US
Team. Then, knowing that Maples, Baden,
Levine and the other members of the US team had all agreed, based on varying
and independent methods, that Anastasia was missing, Abramov said, "We got
the same age for those remains [No. 5] as he did." Quite obviously, they didn't, so Abramov's
remark is inexplicable.
More to the point, also on
Abramov further declared: "Some scientists think
that these remains should be analyzed with a mathematic evaluation which would
help better determine how exact the computer superimposition is, but I don't
agree with that. I think our experts can
evaluate this."
Instead, Abramov said he tested his measurements
(which Massie in his book called "space age mathematics"-Massie, page
42) with "an abacus, which we use to count the angles and do all of our
complicated calculations. The computer
is no good at these things."
Abramov also admitted that during his superimposition
process "we discovered that we would have to correct the computer
calculations using the abacus to get a correct estimation of the mathematical
similarities and shape of the skull to get a match." In other words, Abramov changed the computer
calculations to make them match the photos he was attempting to fit them to.
Abramov admitted that he was forced to
"manipulate the computer" to get the correct fit: "We have to
close the overlapping area when we compare the pictures with the skulls or they
won't fit, so we erase some of the lines and points."
Abramov, on
Professor Victor Nikolaievich Zvyagin, Head of the
Physical and Technical Department, said of Abramov's superimposition (after the
work had been done): "It's still too early to talk about any significant
success in this approach but it has a big future." He said that he believed (as did Maples) that
it was impossible to identify No. 5 because "the nose bones, the middle
face, and the edges of the upper jaw and sides are missing. In this case the reconstruction of the
missing parts was needed. There are
several ways to do it. We usually prefer
to do it using reconstruction based on the skull, not superimposition, which
can give pre-defined answers." He
criticized the superimposition because "they introduce some alterations to
the object."
Nicholas Nevolin, the director of the Sverdlovsk
Region Bureau of Forensic Medicine, said of Abramov's superimposition: "It
works better in a negative sense. If the
skull does not fit within the image of the photograph, we can say that this
skull did not belong to the person in the photograph. So each skull is fitted into each
photograph. It will not fit into some of
them; it may fit into one of them. One
must not accept this as a categorical method, especially in this case. The method still is not very reliable, and
second, in this case, practically all of the facial parts of the skulls have
been destroyed and some of the cranial parts of the skulls are damaged by bullets."(Massie,
77)
Peter Gritsaenko, Deputy Chief of the Sverdlovsk
Regional Forensic Bureau, said, referring to Abramov's superimposition
technique, in 1993 that he did not want "to talk about it, because there
are also other, powerful people involved in this who want their own conclusions
confirmed."
Dr. Vyascheslav Leonidovich Popov, forensic dentistry
expert from the
On
Further, the Commission, in complete contradiction to
the work of
As to the professional level of Russian science and
the investigation carried out, even the Russians complained repeatedly that
they lacked the resources, funding, and equipment to facilitate the
identification. This is one reason why
they made the arrangement with the Home Office in the UK to do DNA testing
there-they did not have the capability to do it themselves. On 27 July, 1992, Dr. Lowell Levine said,
"This case is getting short shrift from an examination standpoint. It isn't getting anything like the quality of
investigation scientifically or forensically that even the average citizen in
the US would get."
The Russians, in fact, had a habit of misidentifying
these skulls. According to an interview
with Ryabov, who first broke the story, Abramov, after examining the skulls
personally, told him that he had Alexei.
In August, 1991, Abramov determined that the remains of No. 1 [Demidova]
were Nicholas II, as he admitted in 1992: "Until we determined that it
wasn't a man, we were working on that version and that skeleton was considered
to be the Tsar. We didn't talk much
about that because we didn't want much ado, since we had two versions. And when we got the idea who really was
skeleton No. 1, then we made results of our research public." And yet, again to the level of Russian
expertise, it took Maples, Baden and others all of "two minutes" as
Maples told me to confirm that No. 1 had a female pelvis.
Further, on 23 April, 1993, Abramov said: "We
don't know what level of expertise the Americans work at, how they perform
examinations, how good they are."
Thus, it is erroneous to say that only the Russians were subjected to
criticism-Abramov himself openly questioned their credentials-which is quite a
bit more than Maples or anyone from the US did in disagreeing with the
Russians' conclusions.
All of this is in the way of indicating that the
identification using superimposition was far from conclusive. The Russian experts disagreed-and continue to
do so-amongst themselves. It is surely
not a criticism of the Russians involved, nor a personal attack, to say that
they were hampered by funding, resources, disagreements, and often by a lack of
knowledge. Trying to point the finger at
foreign criticism as unwarranted given the circumstances of the case is reverse
prejudice in favor of the Russians and clearly ignores the complexities
involved here.